Tuesday, May 3, 2022

Fujifilm X Cameras Focus Inconsistency Issue; Second Follow Up; My Experience With My Lenses


My two previous posts also addressed this subject.  
This is another follow-up of additional testing I've done as well as information I've received since the last post.  You can read those two posts here and here.  This issue is happening with my Fujifilm camera and lenses and the purpose of this post is to advise you and allow you to test your own camera and lenses so you may be more informed about your gear.

Briefly, there seems to be an autofocus inconsistency issue with, at least, several models of Fujifilm X cameras.  When autofocusing on a stationary subject repeatedly, the camera's AF Distance Indicator will vary quite a bit.  In other words, if you are autofocusing on a subject 10 ft. from the camera, the AF Distance Indicator should show 10 ft. each time.  It doesn't.  Mine varies from 7 ft. to 11 ft. or so.  This happens at lesser and greater distances as well.  At about 200 ft. my camera would autofocus anywhere between 15ft. and infinity.  Additionally, it is present with all of my Fujifilm lenses and, in my tests, the shorter the focal length tested, the worse the variation.

If you search the Internet you will find this subject discussed.  Additionally, since posting the subject on my blog, I've received several comments, private and public, reinforcing that those Fujifilm camera owners are seeing the same issue with a number of different X cameras.

As of now, I don't know of a satisfactory work around.  On my X-T4 I can reproduce this autofocus inconsistency repeatedly in both AF-S and AF-C configurations.

I think there is one mitigating factor that, I believe, has partially masked this issue from us as well as allow it to fly under the radar.  That is in my tests with autofocus variations I've witnessed, depth of field in many cases, compensates for the error in accurate focus distance.  At first thought that may seem okay, but as we know depth of field only gives you the area of what is called 'acceptable focus.'  Things may look in focus but there is only one plane in your image that is actually in 'sharp focus.'  In front of and behind that one plane of sharp focus, gradually, other subjects slowly become out of sharp focus.  So, to me, depth of field compensating for inaccurate autofocus is not really a solution on which we can count to give us the sharpest subjects. 

Also, I've gone back through my Lightroom Catalog and looked at a couple hundred of my Fujifilm images and found that many are just slightly out of focus.  I always thought this was a 'photographer' problem as I had no reason to believe it could be a gear issue.  My habit had been to make more than one exposure of my subject, repeatedly autofocusing for each shot.  I would then find the sharpest of the group and edit that one (or those).  Again, I assumed it was me causing the slightly out of sharp focus files.

Currently, I am using a Fujifilm X-T4 and have five lenses.  Previously, I had an extensive  Olympus micro4/3 kit as well as Nikon full frame kit.  With the Olympus and Nikon systems I never experienced any autofocus issues.  That said, I sold all of that gear last year and decided to keep just the Fujifilm gear.  Keeping the Fujifilm gear had everything to do with how it felt, the buttons, dials, menus, image qualities (plural) and the excellent quality of the lenses.  Additionally, I was (and still am) making an effort to simplify my life.  Less gear, greater satisfaction, in my way of thinking.  Using my Fujifilm gear gave me the greatest satisfaction of all of my gear.

Here are the lenses I now have and the results of the testing I've done to ascertain if they exhibit the autofocus inconsistency issue:

10-24mm f/4 (first version)  a lot of inconsistency is seen wide open and stopped down at all focal lengths.  The shorter the focal length, the greater the focusing error.  Focusing on a subject exactly 10 ft. form the camera, I saw variations from 5 ft. to infinity.

16-55mm f/2.8 At several focal length shorter than 55mm, the combination exhibited autofocus inconsistency.  At the 10 ft. subject, the distance scale read anywhere between 7 ft. and 11 ft. with both AF-S and AF-C wide open and stopped down to f/5.6.  I don't think it actually ever focused at 10 ft. even once.

23mm f/2 At first I thought this lens was free of the issue as focusing at 2 ft. the focus was consistent with both AF-S and AF-C.  However, at 10 ft., stopped down to f/5.6, the lens focused from 5 ft. to 12 ft. with repeated AF activations using AF-S and when holding down the shutter button using AF-C, the distance indicated jumped around through those same distances.  Using AF-C, the camera never could make up its mind where to focus.

55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 I am seeing the inconsistency issue at all focal lengths and all distances with both AF-S and AF-C.  When I first ran a test on this lens I thought because it is 55-200mm the issue was not present.  It is, but in a minor way.  At 10 ft. the AF-S would vary from about 10 ft. to 10.5 ft., i.e., it varied but only very slightly.  Same with AF-C.  Holding down the shutter button on continuous AF had the distance indicator jump between 10 ft. and 10.5 ft.  It shouldn't move at all once the proper distance is determined.  With the exception of 200mm using my 200ft. distance target, the same inconsistency appeared at about the same level.  At 200 ft. the camera seemed to focus consistently at infinity.  Also, the aperture I used was f/5.6.

100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 I'm seeing the same issues, however seemingly lesser so, with the exception of at 400mm.  If you look at the AF distance scale, the next distance shown below infinity is 30 ft.  I picked a target at about 30 ft.  The AF-S and AF-C distances varied between the 'f' and 't' in ft. and the infinity symbol.  Not much variation, it would seem, but at those long focal lengths and relatively wide apertures, that small distance 'could' make a difference as depth of field is very shallow.

I am a 'back-button' focus user.  I don't use the shutter button to activate autofocus.  I've set up my cameras that way for years.  I typically set my cameras for AF-C which allows me to press and release the back button to instantly find and lock focus, press and hold to continually focus or manually focus without having to change any settings. Very convenient and it has worked very well for me.  Wanting to continue to use 'back-button' autofocus, currently, I have my X-T4 set to manual focus, "Instant AF" using AF-C and displaying the MF Distance Scale in the EVF and LCD so I can check to see if the approximate distance of what the camera focused on coincides with what the distance scale is showing.  If not, I'll then re-activate autofocus until it does before pushing the shutter button to make the exposure.  That said, preliminarily, this setup seems to largely mitigate the inconsistency issue.  I see it but at a lesser scale.

In about three weeks. with three of my lifelong friends, I'll be leaving on coast-to-coast road trip with the portion from Chicago to Los Angeles on Route 66.  More about that in a future post.  Do you think I'm going to take my X-T4 kit and take a chance that many of my (probable) irreplaceable images will turn out less than in sharp focus?  Right now I just don't know but I'm thinking probably not since I'm 70 years old and, most likely, there will not be another opportunity for me to make this same road trip with my three buddies ever again.  I have to be able to trust my camera.  Right now, I can’t.

My intention was to purchase one of the new X-H2 (or X-T5) cameras next month when Fujifilm holds their summit and announces new products.  I've been really looking forward to this event for at least a year.  I've been excited about the next generation camera, sensor and image processor.  Right now, I am putting those plans on hold until this issue is resolved.  To me, it would be unwise to spend money on a new camera if this issue exists in it as well.

As I mentioned in my last post, if you know one of the "Fuji Guys," a Fujifilm representative or someone who knows one of them, try to get this issue before them and subsequently in front of the Fujifilm engineers in Japan so they can correct this flaw which then will restore our confidence in the Fujifilm ecosystem.  Something like this, if not quickly rectified, could have rather severe negative impact on Fujifilm's business.  Let's hope not as I love my Fujifilm gear!

As a recap, if you want to try testing your camera and lenses, here is how to set up your camera so you can judge for yourself.

-Shutter button activation of AF (back-button activation will not enable the AF distance scale)

-Single Point AF

-AF-S and/or AF-C 
 -Focus Priority
-Activate the "AF Distance Indicator" from your menu so it shows at the bottom of your EVF/LCD (Wrench Icon, go to Screen Setting (page 3 of 3), then to "Disp. Custom Setting", press the right button on your 4-way button, go to page 1 of 4, check the "AF Distance Indicator" checkbox

-Stop your lenses down to about f/5.6 to f/8 (it seems more prevalent when stopped down but my lenses exhibited the phenomenon wide open as well

-Pick two targets, one at a closer distance and one at a farther distance.  I used 10 ft. and 200 ft.  Make sure the light is bright and your target has good contrast so those two issues are ruled out as factors

-Place you camera on a tripod

-Repeatedly half-press the shutter to activate AF-S and watch the small distance indicator.  You don't actually have to make exposures.

-Set the camera on AF-C, half-press and hold the shutter button and see if the subject comes into proper focus and the distance indicator locks in one place or it jumps around
Please leave a comment if you do or do not find this issue with your Fujifilm gear.  I'm sure there are many of us who would like to know just how widespread this is.  

If you have not read my first two posts about this issue they can be found here and here.

Bottom line:  I need to trust my camera.  Right now, I can't.

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Thanks for looking. Enjoy!  

Dennis A. Mook  

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24 comments:

  1. A real dilemma. I feel for you as this situation brings a lack of confidence in the equipment even when it is working properly. Well, for sure you know what you had with the Z7 and the M1.3. I recently commented about my experience with the Canon R6 focus for BIF that it was nearly point and shoot for wildlife. That said, to my eye, the Nikon is still better for buildings and landscapes.

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  2. I will be interested in your decision as I am on the borderline on getting the xh2. On a side note Union Pacific will be doing a big boy locomotive trip summer. Go to UP Steam for the schedule as they have already change it (now to start the end of June) for dates and route.

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    1. The UP Big Boy summer tour for 2022 has been canceled. Check their website.

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    2. It just changed in the last couple of days. It is worth watching for updates

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  3. I did a short test with my X100 (orignal , with new lens unit in 2016) 0.5 m on distance scala, red line is at the 0.5 dot
    It stay' s on that dot , i did 20 shots 3 are out of focus...the red line wanderd a little ...but i say it is oké!

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  4. I did a test with my X100 original, F4 > 0.5 m > red line is at the 0.5 dot ...20 shot's...it is stabel ..Just a little wandering around the red dot ..3 shot's out of focus. It's Oké! Thanks..take care!

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  5. I tried replicating your procedure for checking focus on my XH1, using AF-S. I examined the exposures in Lightroom on a 27” iMac Retina display at 200%.

    I first reset the camera to out-of-box condition, then set up your recommended test parameters. My first targets were indoors at 3 feet and 10 feet with the distance scale enabled with the 10-24 f/4.0 II WR (the new version). Repeated half-press of the shutter yielded results similar to what you’ve found with your experiments. I tried both f/4.0 and f/8.0. Next I took the camera / lens combo outside for distance shots at approx. 45ft. This time instead of just half-pressing the shutter, I took exposures without a half-press, what Rico Pfirstinger refers to as a “shutter mash”, so one shutter press equals one exposure. This time I had accurate focus for each exposure.

    I next tried an X-Pro3 with a 27 f/2.8 WR (the new version), AF-S indoors at the same 3 and 10 foot targets, using half-press with the distance scale enabled. For the X-Pro3 I left it with my configurations intact. This also resulted in focus problems as you described, though not to the extent of the 10-24 indoors with repeating half-shutter presses. The next day on a morning walk I put the 27 f/2.8 WR on the XH1, AF-S, and took about 65 exposures without half-pressing; just pointed the AF frame in the viewfinder at something interesting and then using the “shutter-mash”. The results were accurate focus on all exposures except one shot through a wrought-iron fence, where the focus box picked up the lighter tone background instead of the dark fence; user error.

    The final preliminary test was the XH1, using the 10-24 f/4.0 WR at F/4 and f/8 with IS mode set to shooting only at outside targets. Exposures were again accurately focused at the targets.

    What to make of this? I’m no optical engineer and know nothing about the code behind Fuji’s operating system. But from a software standpoint, what might be happening is a software focus variable or buffer which doesn’t empty in a way someone might expect, corrupting subsequent focus values added to the variable/buffer. The user solution would seem to be to aim the focus box at your target by either moving the camera or use of the focus pointer, and shutter mash for the exposure. What we might be seeing in past focus inaccuracies is the user (you and I and many others) half-pressing the shutter, releasing the half press, adjusting composition slightly and half-pressing, doing this perhaps several times, until we finally fully depress the shutter for an exposure.

    This is just my end-user experience and how I’ve worked around this problem, and your results may vary, but after doing this, I’m inclined to use the shutter mash work around and won’t be selling my gear anytime soon. Hopefully Fujifilm will address this behavior in a firmware upgrade.

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  6. Hey guys, i totally agree with the findings as i have the same issues with the X-H1 and 18-55mm and 16-80mm lens.No problems with the fantastic 50mm f2 lens.
    It is unbeleavable that a company like fuji gives a shit on these arguments and does not intend to give a bugfix .The X-H1 is not for professional use

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  7. I have a similar problem with my new Fujifilm X-H2s in combination with the XF16-55 f2.8 lenses (the problem above appears more often at focal lengths of 23 and 35) and the new XF33 1.4. I'm very frustrated... I could understand if it was with AF-C, but that's the main problem with sing shooting in AF-S (point focus).

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  8. I have a similar problem with my new Fujifilm X-H2s in combination with the XF16-55 f2.8 lenses (the problem above appears more often at focal lengths of 23 and 35) and the new XF33 1.4. I'm very frustrated... I could understand if it was with AF-C, but that's the main problem with sing shooting in AF-S (point focus).

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  9. "I typically set my cameras for AF-C which allows me to press and release the back button to instantly find and lock focus, press and hold to continually focus (...) Wanting to continue to use 'back-button' autofocus, currently, I have my X-T4 set to manual focus, "Instant AF" using AF-C"

    Unfortunately, tracking stops as soon as you half-press the shutter button, so it´s only useful for the first shot of a burst.

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  10. I'm pretty well disabled. Walking the length of our fairly short street is sufficient to exhaust me for the rest of the day.
    Because of this, I spend a LOT of time browsing photography fora.
    I have noticed this effect with many Fuji photos, and have put it down to lenses that are not critically sharp, or slight user error.

    This is a very bad thing for any company to have happening.

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  11. I've seen this frequently, although not a Fuji user. Always attributed it to soft lenses and/or user error.

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  12. Experienced this same AF issue with an X-T3, X-T4, X-T5, X-H2, X-E4, and now my X-S20. Reported to Fuij via email, telecon, and their "ticket" form. Their response has been they are "unaware of issue" and "send your camera in".

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  13. Did the recent firmware update which directly addresses this issue fix it for you?

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    1. I currently own an X-H2S and an X-T5, neither of which has exhibited a focus inconsistency issue. I know others have with these two cameras but after testing both, both autofocus accurately and consistently. I’ll have a blog post going out next week asking the same question you asked me. That said, I’ve watched dozens of YouTube videos, both pros and amateurs alike, and I am just not seeing anyone who talks about this issue. I see them talk about AF not being as good as Sony or Canon but not inconsistent. I have to conclude that one possibility is that it affects a small number of cameras.

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  14. I also encountered the same problems on xt4 and xh2s. The xh2s sent for assistance because it was practically unusable. I would add that the situation has not changed with the latest firmware. 2700 euros down the toilet thanks to fujifilm

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  15. I’m sorry to hear you are still having issues. As I wrote for another comment, I experienced the inconsistency issue with the X-T4 but sold it and bought an X-H2S and and X-T5 when they were first introduced. I’ve tested both extensively and am having no AF inconsistency issues at all. After all I’ve written about this over the past couple of years, I’ve concluded that the issues seem to be in a limited number of cameras as I see and read reviews by many, many pros and enthusiasts who have the cameras and there is no mention about the AF issue. Improvements in subject detection seem to be what most people mention. I’m pretty sure if they were not getting consistent AF they would have mentioned it. Again, I’m sorry you are experiencing problems. ~Dennis

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  16. Had similar issues on the X-T4, X-T5 and X-H2, mostly on the 10-24 stopped down. I hadn't really noticed this before until I started doing more long exposure landscape shots, mainly using AF-S and in focus priority release mode.

    Unfortunately after a trip to Iceland I got burned by this issue on more than one occasion, being super cold and wearing mittens I relied on AF ON more than I should have, and when the light and conditions were perfect (often only for a few minutes at most) I was more focused on the framing than I was checking the previous shots at 100%, causing several images that would have been great to be ruined. In one case I ended up using an iPhone "snap" for a print as the equivalent shot I took (framing and the same moment of light) on the Fuji was out of focus.

    I really loved the Fuji system, especially the SOOC JPEGs, and the X-H2 body, but this focus issue and a general unhappiness with the raw files I think I'm finally going to switch to the Sony A7R system. I hope Fuji fixes it one day.

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  17. I've noticed this issues to varying degrees with my multiple Fuji cameras. My XT30 exhibits at the least, however I think the lenses are a big variable. I've noticed all of my lenses that have the new linear motors seem to have this issue to almost no degree at all. but all the older motor lenses seem to exhibit it to some degree but not as bad as my X100V and X100VI .

    My x100v exhibited this issue randomly but overall it was never enough that I found it a problem per se. I had misses here and there that I could never explain, but overall that camera resulted in excellent photos and most were incredibly sharp. my x100VI however has about a 50% failure rate when using single point AF-S. I use the smallest or second smallest box. I even got a second X100VI to test and the results were exactly the same.

    It seems odd that this would be only certain cameras, as I have seen it on multiple models as well as users such as these posting examples of various cameras with the same exact issue. It seems more likely to me that is a software issue such as a firmware problem. It seems like what happens in my case is that it is always shifting in front of the focus point closer to the photographer. If I take a portrait of somebody, oftentimes it will focus on their shirt in front of them or their hat brim or something closer to me than their actual eye that it is selecting. so it seems to favor a closer focus point.

    This may not matter, but I have seem to notice that in most instances even though the focus point may be directly on the face or eye it seems to have snapped to something nearby that has a higher contrast edge like a dark hat brim or glasses brim or coat zipper or something. It just seems very odd, but it makes the X100VI very frustrating to use. I thought my lens was bad when I first got it, but it's definitely normal behavior after seeing multiple other people have the same problem and trying two brand new cameras

    I'm not saying that some people don't have the issue, but I feel like it's more likely they are using some other combination of settings and focus techniques. I use back button focus and don't use the shutter button as I find it superior in every way. and I am not delaying between pressing the back button and then taking the picture I am very good at the technique. I have no desire to use other focus methods in most situations nor do I want to kill my battery faster. so this is very frustrating. It makes me want to sell my X100VI and use my XT30, it's just unfortunate that there are no lenses as compact and there's no Ibis...

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    1. Sean, thank you for your comment and sharing your experience. I find it distressing that the X100VI, a brand new camera with the latest technology, would exhibit this behavior. That’s shameful. Before you give up, I would ask you to try one additional technique that I found helped me. Set your camera to manual focus and go into the menu and set the menu item (I don’t remember the exact words nor exactly where it is located) that allows you to back-button autofocus while in manual focus mode, either with the AF-On button or reassign another button of the camera doesn’t have an AF-On button, in either AF-S or AF-C. The difference being is that when you have your camera set for normal autofocus either using AF-S or AF-C, the camera stops down to the working aperture while autofocusing, thus increasing the depth of field which can reduce the accuracy of the AF. However, using manual focus, back-button autofocus and AF-S or AF-C, the camera autofocuses with the lens at maximum aperture, thus reducing depth of field and giving the AF system a better chance at accurate AF. Let me know if you try this and your results, if you would. Thank you. ~Dennis

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  18. È vero la linea che segna la distanza in metri sembra starata segna sempre meno però dalle mie semplici prove macchina fissa soggetto a tre metri e a due metri e mezzo con 16-55 mk I diaframmi 2,8-4-5,6-8 le foto sono sempre a fuoco con af-a poi con af-c come sempre a volte sfoca….qaulcuno ha notizie se con gli ultimi firmware hanno risolto io sono rimando a tre aggiornamenti fa. Grazie

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    1. Here is the English translation: It's true that the line that marks the distance in meters seems to be there marks less and less but from my simple tests fixed machine subject at three meters and two and a half meters with 16-55 mk The diaphragms 2.8-4-5.6-8 the photos are always in focus with af-a then with af-c as always sometimes blurs....no one has news if with the latest firmware they have solved I am refer to three updates ago. Thank you

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  19. Hi, Thanks for this article. I thought I was mad but to see other experience the same is somehow a good thing amongst this frustration. X100v user, having figured the camera focuses better with back button since aperture stays wide open in manual but even then when checking the scale it's inconsistent. Never gives the same results on a set distance target. Which I find unacceptable on a camera in this day and age. Planning to sell my x100 as I don't see Fuji acknowledging this issue nor doing anything to solve the problem. Very disappointed overall.. :(

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